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welcome back everybody to the disclosure

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um anybody has any questions during the

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interview please pop them in capital

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letters as I have a better chance of

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seeing them and then I can pin them and

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ask them at a relevant Point thank you

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so much to everybody that's here in the

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live chat I really do appreciate you

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being here for this

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um if you could just please keep the

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chat nice and cordial I'm all for

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differences of opinions and a good you

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know bit of banter but you know just

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keep it nice that'll be a highly

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appreciated

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so yeah without further Ado I'd like to

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introduce my guest tonight so this is

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somebody I've wanted to speak to for

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some time we recently connected uh

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privately and yeah I'm really excited

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for this conversation so I hope you guys

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enjoy it too so Frank Milburn is a

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former UK defense intelligence officer

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and army paratrooper with over 23 years

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of experience producing threat and risk

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assessments for clients operating in

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hostile environments his experience

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includes providing strategic and

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operational assessments of prevailing

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Industries as well as a variety of

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Fortune 500 Aerospace and government

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clients Frank is an alumnus of the royal

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London School of Economics he has

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written peer-reviewed papers for a

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number of globally ranked think tanks

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including the Middle East economic

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survey the combating terrorism Center at

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West Point and the institute for

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National Security studies at Tel Aviv

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University is an Affiliated researcher

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with a begging Sadat Center for

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strategic study is and is a member of

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the scientific Coalition for UAP studies

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so please welcome Frank Milburn Frank

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how are you thank you very much brother

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and it's a real honor to be on thank you

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that's my pleasure absolute pleasure

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um I'm going to do something which I

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don't normally do at the start of a show

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and I'm going to jump straight to a

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couple of questions that have come in

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and this one isn't even this one isn't

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even UFO related but I just thought I'd

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jump in with it so it says Frank is a

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military man please ask him why when a

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clearly insane leader is single-handedly

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holding the whole world to Ransom this

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monster has not been assassinated

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okay so I I assume that we're um we're

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we're referring to Putin here right to

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Vladimir I would have thought so yeah uh

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consider him perf um personally to be

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insane uh certainly a megalomaniac and

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certainly has uh you know uh you know um

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is not Russian

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um but I think uh it's a question of you

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know he was a former colonel in the KGB

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so if you rise to power uh as a former

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colonel in the KGB you're going to have

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people around you who will protect you

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um because uh you know it's the kind of

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job that you do right so uh he's pretty

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switched on that way I think he's not

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very switched on the tour in the way

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that he invaded Ukraine because that's a

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whole nother question but uh he

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completely uh overestimated the

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abilities of of the Russian military and

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completely underestimated

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um you know the will of ukrainians to

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resist and also of uh the Western

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military Powers you know in the EU and

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NATO uh you know to support uh the

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yeah are you surprised at all that there

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haven't been any assassination

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assassination attempts at all

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well there have been a Fascination

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um if you look at uh you know opponents

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are Putin there have been plenty of

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assassination attempts uh but um you

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know he is a former KGB Lieutenant

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Colonel so um you know he's going to

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have people around him he's going to be

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very aware of his own security you know

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I mean if you're like me I I'm uh you

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know I used to work with um

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you know state department and with the

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usdod and special forces in Iraq right

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and you know I'm a I'm a trained uh well

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counter-intelligence professionals and

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also a close protection professional so

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um it would become like the same for me

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if I were looking to somebody to protect

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myself and my family I'm a professional

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so I would know the kind of people that

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protect myself

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yeah that makes sense and I appreciate

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that so let's start now where I probably

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would normally start so I'd like to know

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when you first got interested in the

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whole UFO subjects in general

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uh when I was a very young child

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phenomena my mother my grandmother and

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my grandfather are what you would call

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experiences or in those days they used

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to call Sidekicks or mediums

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um when I told my grandmother about this

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uh she told me it's no surprise

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whatsoever my

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my house in London where I used to live

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was always full of uh mediums coming

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from Israel the United States uh people

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like uh you know Phyllis Schlemmer like

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open-minded to it

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I'd already uh been a paratrooper I had

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definitely put me in touch with me kind

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of like you know what you call that like

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the psychic side and then when I was in

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the military shortly after that uh there

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was no doubt in my mind that UAP exists

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that UAP were penetrating uh the UK air

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defense region and since that time I

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left the military

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uh kind of like late late 90s I read

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books uh like you know Timothy good

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then I got uh more interested in kind of

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like 2016. I got her in touch with uh

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Richard Dolan and then I got on his

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website and from there it kind of like

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all snowballed and then I started

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gathering information and then

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you know by what's that 2020 in November

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I'd already written my first paper

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because I decided like um you know why

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am I why am I being on the sidelines

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um I'm obviously interested in this and

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I obviously have like some kind of um

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I have something to contribute which

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comes from an intelligence background

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and that's why I got involved excellent

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thank you I appreciate that that kind of

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leads me into this question from Ryan

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across UAP related issues or the topic

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in general during his intelligence

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career or his Contracting work after

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uh yes I did in my in my Military

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um I came in contact with pilots who had

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uh yes uh there was a there was a

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kinetic effort to shoot down the UAP

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because they were over sensitive areas

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and UK air defense region

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the RAF weren't able to shoot them down

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they tried with um uh and she they tried

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with home in missiles right with uh with

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with a you know radar holding missiles

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they tried with uh infrared seeking

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missiles and then they closed uh to uh

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within three kilometers and they tried

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you know with uh you know the internal

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not able to shoot down the UAP but the

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UAP would consider a threat

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do you think that the the reason why

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they weren't able to shoot them down was

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it weapons malfunctioned caused by the

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UAP or was it something to do with the

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materials and the like almost the field

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uh the information I got from the pilots

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kind of uh field around the UAP

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um it uh you know the the radar homing

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missiles had uh no lock-on effect

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initially they had a lock on effect but

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when they left the aircraft they had no

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lock on effect uh then the the infrared

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missiles they left the aircraft and then

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they had no lock-on effect and then when

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they closed within three less than three

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kilometers uh the uh you know the

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uh so I can only put that down to uh you

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know uh Superior advanced technology

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that the UAP had as an intelligence

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is it noted anywhere in the National

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that's intriguing that's very intriguing

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it almost reminds me of a case that I

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wanted to talk to you about which we

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might as well jump into as well which is

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the the 1976 Tehran incident

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um a case that I'm definitely fascinated

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with I know I saw obviously Ryan

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Sprague's question there for us and I

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know Ryan has written recently about the

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case a fantastic article so if you don't

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mind Frank would you be able to just

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give us a quick overview of the case and

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what it involved because I believe it

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involved two specific incidents within

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that one

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yeah sure it was uh 1976 uh it was um

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basically north of um of Tehran which is

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the capital of Tehran uh people have to

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say I understand that um you know in

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um we're talking about the uh Imperial

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Iranian Air Force and that Iran was a

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major Ally of the United States and NATO

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okay and it was a major major recipient

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of uh you know the latest American

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interceptors which were launched uh in

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relation to this UAP both of them were

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F4 Phantoms uh they were the latest

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therefore Phantoms that the Americans

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and they had the latest uh Sidewinder

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missiles the the first

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um the first encounter uh the pilot took

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off he saw the object

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um but he returned to base because

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um his uh his Communications were shut

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down and his navigation systems were

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shut down uh the second pilot uh took

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off with his backseater and it was

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absolutely terrifying for them uh they

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confronted the object

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um the pilot

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saw a bright orb detached from the major

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object and fly towards them he thought

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that it was

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um a an air-to-air missile

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um and he went to his own weapons and he

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tried to select a missile to Fire and

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his weapons panel went off and also his

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uh his intercom went off so he had to

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scream at his back seater and also his

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UHF Communications back to base went off

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so then he turned uh very sharply away

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from this object that was streaking

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towards him because he thought it was a

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missile and then he returned to base

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and then uh when he was on the ground

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um he was subjected to uh major tests

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and the shore of Iran actually

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approached him and said uh what do you

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think um is the you know who is the

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intelligence or what is the technology

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behind uh you know uh you know this kind

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of craft and uh Jafari who was a pilot

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he said well I think it's something from

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Beyond this world because if anybody on

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this Earth had that kind of Technology

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uh then uh you know they would rule they

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would rule the Earth

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yeah it's an absolutely fascinating case

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and yeah I'm just gonna I'm just going

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to add as well also there was a there

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was an American team uh because there

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was an American uh uh team that was

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training the the Iranians and there was

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a colonel on the ground and he actually

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said to Jafari he goes oh actually it's

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very good that you didn't far upon them

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because it could have been a lot worse

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and then that same Colonel uh sent a uh

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uh sent a signal uh via defense

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intelligence agency which reached uh all

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of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and also um

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uh the uh uh the White House and uh then

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there was a follow-up by another an Air

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Force intelligence officer who said this

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is the best example of of a UAP

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wow that's amazing and you mentioned

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that the Shah of Iran and we know that

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he has had an interest in UFOs and

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actually came out as an experience to

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himself which I believe is I mean you

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you posted something on Twitter the

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other day and that's the first I'd heard

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of that so can you tell us a little bit

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about that

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yeah well sure I was um I was looking

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for um I was looking for Biden's UH 60

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Minutes talk on uh and I wanted to hear

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about him talking about um you know

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Ukraine and uh and um and Taiwan and so

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I watched that and then it had like uh

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then on on YouTube it showed me like you

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know old uh 60 Minutes talks and one of

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them was about the 1973 uh uh you know

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um oil crisis so I clicked on that and

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the Shah of Iran came up talking in 1973

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and then he's talking about being an

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experiencer and the actual the the

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interviewer actually says to him oh but

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you know um you know you're the shiver

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on but you've had like experiences and

353
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then and then the show everyone starts

354
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talking about you know he had dreams and

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then he started having visions

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about his future and then that made me

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think well actually this is actually

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really incredible and that's why he

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actually had a lifelong interest in UAP

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that's incredible that's absolutely

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amazing do you think I mean there seems

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to be a lot of obviously cases involving

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aircraft and military aircraft in

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particular going back decades do you

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ever see any kind of pattern in any of

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those cases at all

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in terms of what

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well I mean like there's weapons

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shutdowns was the inability to to fire

370
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up on these things do they always see

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them as a threat and is it generally are

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they seen over sensitive airspace

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well I'd say um

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the

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studies

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um for those who didn't go to their

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uh their Summit in June

378
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um there's some very incredible work

379
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that's being done

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um on exactly on uh UAP and nukes from

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1994 from 1945 onwards

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um in terms of the interest of UAP and

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I've actually correlated it uh

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statistically in terms of interest in um

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uh in uh

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in nuclear bases

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in terms of uh nuclear missile silos and

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also in terms of

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um you know initially where you know the

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nukes are being produced

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and it's very it's very very intelligent

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there's no doubt in my mind that there's

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a high interest by by UAP in every

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aspect in every

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every level of uh you know the the the

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human nuclear phase from uh you know uh

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designing of a nuclear weapon to

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production of a nuclear weapon to

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deployment of a nuclear weapon

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and so that includes also about uh

401
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warships and anything with sort of new

402
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nuclear capabilities then and

403
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the nuclear reactor yes

404
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that leads me and I've got a question

405
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here about the nuclear aspects from Dave

406
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Mills

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with their long-standing interest in

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nuclear do you think they would allow a

409
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uh well they did in 1945 uh you know the

410
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the Japanese got wiped out so

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um a lot of people asked me this and a

412
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lot of people say oh you know like

413
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they're here to help us well they've

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been something like um

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I think it's like uh

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well hundreds of nuclear tests uh above

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ground or atmospheric above ground

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underground and on the sea since 1945 so

419
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if they were here to help us then you

420
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know why haven't they done it by now

421
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it's a good point that's absolutely a

422
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good point

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now obviously I mean I just brought up

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there like the warships and things

425
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nuclear powered which leaves me just I

426
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just I can't not speak about the Tic Tac

427
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with you because it just seems that that

428
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area whether it be military or or

429
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anything in General off of Catalina

430
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Island in the channel as he always seems

431
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to have been a hotbed and you know

432
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nuclear or not there's you know magnetic

433
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anomalies in there so do you think what

434
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what is it do you think that attracts

435
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these things to that area and have done

436
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for so long

437
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well I talked to Kevin Day about this

438
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and um

439
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I did a presentation that people can

440
00:17:53,930 --> 00:17:51,720
look at it's uh under Apec uh Frank

441
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Milburn Catalina sightings

442
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and I talked to Kevin Day about this uh

443
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Kevin Day being one of the the witnesses

444
00:18:05,690 --> 00:18:02,580
to uh to the Nimitz and and

445
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and basically a circus to air expert

446
00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:08,160
uh there's nothing uh that that bloke

447
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:10,200
doesn't know about uh you know uh

448
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surface-to-air uh combat right and but

449
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he also told me he said uh that whole

450
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area and I asked him I said well how

451
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easy would be to sneak a submarine in

452
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and he said uh he said the U.S Navy owns

453
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that whole Coast like air

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surface and subsurface

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so I think there are definitely uh you

456
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know anomalies in that area I mean the

457
00:18:41,570 --> 00:18:38,220
area is so deep

458
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but I also think um that

459
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um

460
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it's absolutely real what the US Navy

461
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have been have been seeing

462
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and I don't think there's any kind of

463
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doubt about that

464
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yeah so I mean what are your thoughts

465
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then if we move forward to the 2019

466
00:19:00,289 --> 00:18:58,320
sightings you know the Swarms off of the

467
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coast you know with multiple Navy

468
00:19:04,730 --> 00:19:02,760
warships you know and it's been

469
00:19:06,590 --> 00:19:04,740
the Drone thing has been thrown in there

470
00:19:08,570 --> 00:19:06,600
so many times now and we've seen these

471
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clips from Jeremy Corbell we've we've

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seen the recent footage that's come out

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I think the war zone might have brought

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something out so I mean personally I'm

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quite a loss with it I don't know which

476
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way to look which way to think so I'd

477
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love to know what you think of that

478
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currently

479
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well I'll tell you um I'll tell you

480
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Vinnie like I wasn't there I didn't see

481
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them with my own eyes and I haven't

482
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actually had access access to you know

483
00:19:31,730 --> 00:19:30,000
the classified intelligence right so you

484
00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:31,740
know all I can do is speculate

485
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um sorry

486
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,549
what are your thoughts on sort of radar

487
00:19:43,970 --> 00:19:42,720
spoofing Technologies Holograms and that

488
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kind of thing do you think that that

489
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could possibly a serious Contender or

490
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possibility for for these incidents

491
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uh no I don't because again I spoke to

492
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Kevin day and also don't forget uh you

493
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,400
know when I was in Military Intelligence

494
00:20:01,250 --> 00:19:58,320
I work with the Royal Air Force I used

495
00:20:03,710 --> 00:20:01,260
to fly on a wax okay so I was privy to

496
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,720
uh you know be on top secret uh

497
00:20:07,490 --> 00:20:05,760
intelligence and I knew what kind of

498
00:20:10,669 --> 00:20:07,500
spoofing technology we had okay that was

499
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like you know the mid 90s uh but um I

500
00:20:14,270 --> 00:20:12,780
know for a fact that uh you know when

501
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you're engaging in like you know a large

502
00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:16,260
NATO exercise or you know a national

503
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exercise you do not

504
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um you do not inject something else from

505
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from outside that exercise into the

506
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exercise because uh especially when you

507
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know in the case of the Nimitz in 2004

508
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uh when they're preparing for war uh you

509
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do not do that because it would cause uh

510
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it would cause basically well that

511
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that's when I spoke to Kevin day and he

512
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said well

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um the reason why uh you know the

514
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officer on the deck listen to me is

515
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because he said I said that this was uh

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you know an anti-air threat that there

517
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was a threat of you know these objects

518
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in the air that could cause you know a

519
00:21:00,169 --> 00:20:57,720
problem from our for our aircraft and

520
00:21:02,090 --> 00:21:00,179
that's precisely why uh you wouldn't do

521
00:21:04,610 --> 00:21:02,100
you wouldn't use spoofing or you

522
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wouldn't use you know some kind of a uh

523
00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:06,299
you know uh you know exotic technology

524
00:21:08,990 --> 00:21:07,980
you would not inject that into an

525
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exercise

526
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no absolutely I mean these these cases

527
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specifically the Nimitz you know is

528
00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:14,640
really thrown

529
00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:16,980
this subject into you know the eyes of

530
00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:18,360
the Congress and people like that and

531
00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:20,039
then you know last year we got the

532
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:22,140
preliminary assessment you know which

533
00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:26,640
saw the uaptf uh then morph into newer

534
00:21:30,409 --> 00:21:29,220
offices with new acronyms and that so

535
00:21:32,570 --> 00:21:30,419
I'd love to know your thoughts on where

536
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:32,580
we stand right now with with the current

537
00:21:37,850 --> 00:21:34,620
play because you know we've got this new

538
00:21:39,770 --> 00:21:37,860
Arrow office but we've heard even today

539
00:21:40,430 --> 00:21:39,780
that

540
00:21:42,409 --> 00:21:40,440
um

541
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,419
John Greenwald of The Black Vault put in

542
00:21:46,850 --> 00:21:44,400
a foia request for more information on

543
00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:46,860
the last iteration of aoi MSG and

544
00:21:51,049 --> 00:21:49,559
they're just not releasing anything at

545
00:21:52,669 --> 00:21:51,059
all so it almost feels like we're taking

546
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,679
a step back again but I'd love to know

547
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:54,240
what you think

548
00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:56,880
well I mean now it's the um now it's the

549
00:22:02,870 --> 00:21:59,460
unidentified Aerospace on the sea

550
00:22:05,409 --> 00:22:02,880
phenomena uh task force group right I

551
00:22:08,090 --> 00:22:05,419
believe so you know it's changed again

552
00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:08,100
and you know for the best because that

553
00:22:11,090 --> 00:22:09,539
means that uh you know Congress has

554
00:22:13,610 --> 00:22:11,100
taken charge

555
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,620
um but I don't think um that we in the

556
00:22:17,390 --> 00:22:15,600
public are going to see uh you know

557
00:22:19,610 --> 00:22:17,400
anything like fantastic

558
00:22:22,010 --> 00:22:19,620
because you know all this is designed

559
00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:22,020
basically to bring to the attention of

560
00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:25,740
Congress uh classified uh you know

561
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,980
classified uh incidents which are

562
00:22:32,090 --> 00:22:30,240
happening and which they can never

563
00:22:34,010 --> 00:22:32,100
release the public

564
00:22:35,330 --> 00:22:34,020
but I mean we've heard recently about

565
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,340
the Navy as saying that they're not

566
00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:36,960
going to release any more videos and

567
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:38,039
then

568
00:22:41,390 --> 00:22:39,360
people are saying that it's over

569
00:22:43,549 --> 00:22:41,400
classification and if they wanted to

570
00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:43,559
they could sanitize any images and

571
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,500
videos to not give away you know data on

572
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:48,240
the sensor systems themselves do you

573
00:22:51,529 --> 00:22:49,679
agree with that

574
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:51,539
well I spoke I asked Chris Mellon about

575
00:22:55,850 --> 00:22:52,380
this

576
00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:55,860
uh last week and um and I said to him

577
00:23:00,350 --> 00:22:58,020
well you know one person told me I said

578
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,360
I said look Chris one person told me

579
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,640
um the U.S Navy don't want to release

580
00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:04,559
this information because

581
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:07,260
um the videos are like so game changing

582
00:23:11,810 --> 00:23:09,900
and so indisputably like you know alien

583
00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:11,820
that it would be like game over for

584
00:23:15,649 --> 00:23:14,220
anybody uh you know in in the kind of

585
00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:15,659
background who's trying to like keep the

586
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:18,120
copper on EOP secrecy and Chris melon

587
00:23:21,230 --> 00:23:19,440
came back and he said to me and and

588
00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:21,240
don't forget he's like an advocate for

589
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:23,100
you know for transparency at least for

590
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,080
Congress and he came back and he said no

591
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,880
that's not the case at all he said I

592
00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:28,080
know the person who did the

593
00:23:30,649 --> 00:23:29,460
classification and he said that's not

594
00:23:33,409 --> 00:23:30,659
the reason at all he goes it's for

595
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:33,419
National national security reasons

596
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:35,360
wow okay

597
00:23:41,149 --> 00:23:38,460
interesting that's very and I trust them

598
00:23:43,549 --> 00:23:41,159
I mean you know the guys never bushes me

599
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,559
all right I asked him questions I asked

600
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:45,840
him questions uh sometimes he just

601
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,200
blanks me he doesn't answer and I just

602
00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:51,360
take that well okay that means is it yes

603
00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:53,100
or no I just don't read anything into it

604
00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:54,840
but he either answered me in the yes or

605
00:23:58,669 --> 00:23:56,760
he answered me in the no and and that's

606
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:58,679
what that's what I say and I always ask

607
00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:00,840
him you know can I can I quote you or

608
00:24:05,149 --> 00:24:02,700
can I not quote you

609
00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:05,159
that's fair enough appreciate the answer

610
00:24:08,930 --> 00:24:07,620
thank you so I guess you know it would

611
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:08,940
be good for people to temper their

612
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,980
expectations going forward with relation

613
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,440
to any new information coming out from

614
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,360
the government side of things for now

615
00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:17,520
anyway so obviously we've got a lot of

616
00:24:22,029 --> 00:24:20,280
other entities the Galileo project uapx

617
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:22,039
so many companies

618
00:24:27,409 --> 00:24:25,080
entities coming into this subject do you

619
00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:27,419
think we'll see much from them do you

620
00:24:30,529 --> 00:24:28,860
hold much weight in the in the work

621
00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:30,539
they're doing

622
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,700
uh yeah I do very much from the Galileo

623
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:35,760
project uh but as a former British

624
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:38,460
Military Intelligence officer uh I would

625
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:40,500
be looking much more to

626
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:43,500
um you know uh the uh the possibility

627
00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:46,860
that uh the UK has affected crash

628
00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:50,580
retrievals at least one crash retrieval

629
00:24:53,630 --> 00:24:51,960
the UK

630
00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:53,640
yeah

631
00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:56,340
okay that's new to me I mean I've heard

632
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:58,919
things in the past about it but are you

633
00:25:07,490 --> 00:25:02,159
able to tell us anymore

634
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:10,130
a bloke that I trust very much

635
00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:11,520
um

636
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,100
and when I left the military

637
00:25:18,649 --> 00:25:16,559
um we used to hang out a lot together

638
00:25:22,909 --> 00:25:18,659
and um

639
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:22,919
that he was a head of a very

640
00:25:31,850 --> 00:25:28,490
a very secretive UK unit okay that uh

641
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,860
conducted the kind of missions that

642
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:33,360
um

643
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:35,460
you need to have done overseas but you

644
00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:37,559
don't want to have acknowledged overseas

645
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:38,700
okay

646
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:42,240
and he told me that um he had been head

647
00:25:47,649 --> 00:25:46,500
of a Christ retrieval dream uh that uh

648
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:47,659
um

649
00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:53,640
secured a site in uh in Northern UK

650
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:56,820
and when they arrive at the site uh his

651
00:26:01,250 --> 00:26:00,240
team they discovered evidence that there

652
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:01,260
were

653
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:02,480
um you know

654
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:05,640
biological entities that were occupants

655
00:26:11,649 --> 00:26:09,299
of The Craft and that they had basically

656
00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:11,659
um uh you know

657
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,039
effectively done you know escape and

658
00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:17,279
evasion and then he said to me then it

659
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:20,460
became a hunt uh uh to find those

660
00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:22,740
biological entities

661
00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:25,740
wow okay that's thrown me completely

662
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,340
sideways and yeah I appreciate that a

663
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:31,200
lot

664
00:26:34,909 --> 00:26:32,460
that's making me think for a second

665
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,919
sorry everyone it's making me think have

666
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:36,720
I got enough information to go and do

667
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,220
some digging or asking some questions

668
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:41,279
because I'm just intrigued by that a lot

669
00:26:45,490 --> 00:26:43,320
I was going to ask you questions about

670
00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:45,500
you okay

671
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:48,539
I genuinely appreciate it and that's I I

672
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:50,580
didn't expect to get that that kind of

673
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:53,279
answer from you so a little bit uh mind

674
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,320
blown right now so so

675
00:27:00,590 --> 00:26:57,120
um yeah I'm not going to divulge um you

676
00:27:01,310 --> 00:27:00,600
know who when or where or why uh of

677
00:27:03,529 --> 00:27:01,320
course

678
00:27:06,169 --> 00:27:03,539
um no it's not just about um

679
00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:06,179
I've got to be very careful about uh you

680
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,500
know the

681
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:09,120
you know I signed the official Secrets

682
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:10,200
act right so I've got to be very very

683
00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:12,360
careful but also it's much more about uh

684
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:14,039
you know I'm not going to throw you know

685
00:27:18,529 --> 00:27:16,380
a mate of mine on the bus of course okay

686
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,539
because uh you know uh when you're in

687
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,159
the military when you're a paratrooper

688
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:22,620
you know I work I was a paratrooper I

689
00:27:27,769 --> 00:27:26,159
work with SAS I work with SBS okay uh I

690
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:27,779
work with you know Special Forces and it

691
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,799
doesn't matter who you're working with

692
00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:30,720
it's like you don't throw uh your

693
00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:32,220
comrades under the bus

694
00:27:36,049 --> 00:27:34,200
yeah absolutely it's one thing I've

695
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,059
learned in a very short time is that you

696
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:39,360
protect your sources to the you know

697
00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:42,480
massively that's something I I do and so

698
00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:44,220
I I honestly I respect that so much well

699
00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:45,539
we've seen that I did that I mean with

700
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:47,580
uh for example with Amy escorts right I

701
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:49,020
mean um you know loads of people were

702
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:50,580
pinging me where I got where I was

703
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:52,260
getting my information from but it

704
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,900
wasn't until uh you know her demise that

705
00:27:59,210 --> 00:27:56,880
uh you know I revealed that she was one

706
00:28:02,390 --> 00:27:59,220
of my sources uh Ross Cole thought even

707
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:02,400
he didn't know he kind of suspected

708
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:04,440
um but it wasn't until she died that he

709
00:28:07,789 --> 00:28:06,299
realized and I said to him yeah but

710
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:07,799
because uh you know I'm a Former

711
00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:09,720
Intelligence officer okay I've I was

712
00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:13,080
trained to identify people who who have

713
00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:15,480
access to specific information and I was

714
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:19,140
trained uh how to uh you know persuade

715
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,520
them to give me access to that

716
00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:23,039
information and then how to manage that

717
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,659
relationship right that's what you do

718
00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:26,880
it's called Agent handling

719
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,580
yeah yeah absolutely and and a big part

720
00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:32,159
is you never never ever shaft your

721
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:34,200
source

722
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,820
well I mean it's I'll be you know if you

723
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:37,500
burn one you might as well burn the rest

724
00:28:40,810 --> 00:28:38,760
because people aren't going to trust you

725
00:28:43,070 --> 00:28:40,820
ever again

726
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:43,080
exactly and that's why you know for

727
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:44,159
example you know I was in Northern

728
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,480
Ireland that's for example why you know

729
00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:47,520
the British Northern Ireland were so

730
00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:49,860
successful because uh they offered for

731
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:51,419
example uh you know members of the IRA

732
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:52,980
who were dissatisfied they said okay

733
00:28:58,190 --> 00:28:55,080
will you grasp up other members of the

734
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:58,200
IRA and you know we'll send you to uh

735
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:00,299
Belgium or Germany and you'll have like

736
00:29:04,669 --> 00:29:02,220
a new life and you'll have like money to

737
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:04,679
set yourself up and like a new job uh

738
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,919
and and we won't grasp you up because if

739
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:10,080
you [\h__\h] your sources nobody will come

740
00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:11,279
back to you

741
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,820
exactly that's it so now I really do I I

742
00:29:18,409 --> 00:29:17,039
appreciate that a lot

743
00:29:20,529 --> 00:29:18,419
um and one thing I did want to talk to

744
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:20,539
you about with regards to the UK is that

745
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:23,760
after sort of project condyn you know we

746
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:25,620
didn't really hear much from the UK we

747
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,720
had the the National Archives releases

748
00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:29,520
over you know three years towards the

749
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:32,820
the sort of 200789 kind of period but

750
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,980
seems to have gone completely dark and

751
00:29:38,649 --> 00:29:37,440
I've spoken to people who have been

752
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:38,659
previous

753
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,100
members of The Mod

754
00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:43,919
Etc who aren't so sure that they've

755
00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:46,020
stopped looking into this they've

756
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:47,820
probably just buried it deeper in some

757
00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:50,340
obscure Annex what do you think about

758
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,779
that

759
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,000
I don't know because um you know I left

760
00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:55,919
the military in 1998 right so I can't

761
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:57,960
say for sure but um

762
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:00,960
you'd be absolutely stupid and uh based

763
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:02,940
on my knowledge of um of working with

764
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:06,059
the RAF on you know High redness units

765
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,940
you know flying in a-wax and seeing uh

766
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:11,520
you know being in an a-wax and seeing

767
00:30:15,649 --> 00:30:13,320
you know like a Russian Bear aircraft

768
00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:15,659
you know approaching the UK air defense

769
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:18,120
identification Zone and then seeing uh

770
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:20,700
you know uh tornadoes

771
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:22,740
um you know being uh you know sent to

772
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:25,679
intercept them I would say uh

773
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,460
of course uh you know UAP happenings are

774
00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:31,440
still you know are still going on and

775
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:32,760
it's interesting if you look at uh

776
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:35,640
project condyn it says that uh you know

777
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:37,860
UAP would never be considered what would

778
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:40,260
only be considered to be a threat to the

779
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:44,159
UK if they were entering uh the UK air

780
00:30:51,730 --> 00:30:48,240
defense region with impunity uh in time

781
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:51,740
of Crisis or War uh if they were

782
00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:55,440
entering the UK defense region and uh

783
00:31:01,850 --> 00:30:59,580
ground-based Radars and uh and uh and

784
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:01,860
you know um you know fighters in the air

785
00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:04,260
one are unable to intercept them and

786
00:31:09,889 --> 00:31:07,380
then thirdly uh if UAP were able to

787
00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:09,899
enter the UK air defense region and uh

788
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,120
and to scour Elin you know electronic

789
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,159
intelligence signals signals

790
00:31:18,529 --> 00:31:16,799
intelligence yeah yep

791
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:18,539
thing is

792
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:20,340
wouldn't they be considered a Potential

793
00:31:24,889 --> 00:31:21,960
Threat even if they just entered into

794
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:24,899
our airspace and we couldn't a identify

795
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:27,840
them you know that's what doesn't make

796
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:29,520
sense to me why does there have to be a

797
00:31:33,649 --> 00:31:31,799
specific time surely it's all the time

798
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:33,659
you know if an unidentified aircraft

799
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:36,059
comes into British airspace surely it's

800
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:37,559
setting off alarm Bells left right and

801
00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:38,700
Center

802
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,140
well that's the whole thing it does I

803
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:41,760
mean if it's like an airliner and don't

804
00:31:45,409 --> 00:31:43,320
forget since um

805
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:45,419
uh you know since

806
00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:48,480
um you know uh 911 especially you've got

807
00:31:52,930 --> 00:31:50,220
like uh you know you've got tornadoes

808
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:52,940
you've got fighter aircraft in every

809
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,559
NATO uh country uh on standby uh in case

810
00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:00,960
there is an airliner which has been

811
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,480
taken over you know by Islamic crazies

812
00:32:06,529 --> 00:32:05,039
and they will shoot they will shoot it

813
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:06,539
out the sky

814
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:10,620
yeah absolutely right uh I'd love to

815
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:11,820
move on to this question here which I

816
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,740
thought was great from Linda Thompson uh

817
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:16,320
hello Linda uh do you think King Charles

818
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:20,279
now will be more open about UAP

819
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:23,700
hi Linda and that's a beautiful question

820
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:26,580
um I think that King Charles will be

821
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:29,460
um I think that he has uh an intrinsic

822
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:32,220
interest in that and be up and beyond

823
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,140
that I think he'll be a fantastic King

824
00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:36,240
because he cares about the environment

825
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:39,419
and he also cares deeply about uh you

826
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,940
know disadvantaged people

827
00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:44,399
excellent that's really good to hear I

828
00:32:47,510 --> 00:32:45,960
think I agree I think you'll be a really

829
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:47,520
good king

830
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,860
um yeah well he's a paratrooper I was a

831
00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:51,360
paratrooper

832
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:53,520
I swear loyal and the thing is for

833
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,720
people don't understand right is that

834
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,159
like people like me right I swore

835
00:33:02,690 --> 00:32:58,399
allegiance to the queen like twice yeah

836
00:33:05,049 --> 00:33:02,700
and uh my allegiance uh I'm not serving

837
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,059
anymore but my allegiance transfers

838
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:07,919
automatically to uh the king because it

839
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:11,340
says I promise to uh I promise to serve

840
00:33:16,330 --> 00:33:13,740
her majesty the Queen Elizabeth and her

841
00:33:20,269 --> 00:33:16,340
heirs and successors so if she dies

842
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:20,279
automatically in the military you're uh

843
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:22,919
its transference of your allegiance to

844
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:25,019
uh the air and successor in this case

845
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:27,240
Prince Charles or King Charles

846
00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:30,120
wow okay I didn't know that that's

847
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,039
really cool well Prince Charles's

848
00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:34,799
airborne and I will serve him I'm to

849
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,880
death

850
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:37,679
there we go

851
00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:40,380
I appreciate that man I appreciate all

852
00:33:44,029 --> 00:33:42,299
military people uh who have served in

853
00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:44,039
this country and anywhere in the world I

854
00:33:48,049 --> 00:33:46,019
think it's a to do like your duty for

855
00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:48,059
your country is uh you know something to

856
00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:49,860
be respected so

857
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:52,260
I I just say on that it's like you're

858
00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:53,100
not just doing it for your country

859
00:33:57,289 --> 00:33:54,299
you're doing it for like you know your

860
00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:57,299
family I mean for example my family uh

861
00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:00,600
my dad was uh my dad was was raw Scott's

862
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:02,220
Graves then he was Airborne then it was

863
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:05,640
SAS uh my stepdad was uh raw Scott's

864
00:34:12,649 --> 00:34:10,440
Grace then paratrooper then SAS uh my

865
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:12,659
godfather was coasting guards and then

866
00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:15,480
paratrooper and my other Godfather was

867
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,820
you know sir Peter the billier right who

868
00:34:24,109 --> 00:34:18,720
um

869
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:24,119
in the first Gulf War so you know I come

870
00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:27,480
from a long line of military soldiers

871
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:29,940
and you know it's it's something that's

872
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,580
imbued to you uh that is you know

873
00:34:39,790 --> 00:34:35,520
loyalty to uh the diff the difference

874
00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:39,800
between family regiment country

875
00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:44,099
an army it is very very small yeah well

876
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,740
I can imagine definitely I I mean I have

877
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,720
a my grandfather was in the Navy but we

878
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:50,399
don't come from a like a line or a

879
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:52,679
family of military three men but like I

880
00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:55,080
said I do respect it heavily so yeah I

881
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:57,000
appreciate that

882
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,200
um actually let's stick with the

883
00:35:01,970 --> 00:35:00,240
military theme because one gentleman who

884
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:01,980
I know you're friends with who I have

885
00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:03,780
had the pleasure of interviewing and

886
00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:05,700
we'd love to talk about is uh retired

887
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:08,580
Colonel John Alexander uh so I'd love to

888
00:35:12,829 --> 00:35:10,260
know how how that sort of relationship

889
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,839
came about how you met John and and

890
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:14,640
anything from there really

891
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:16,020
yeah

892
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:18,660
um I met um well

893
00:35:25,849 --> 00:35:22,020
I basically I saw him on the

894
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:25,859
Jack sarfati email list and then um I

895
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:26,940
thought right I'm going to be cunning

896
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:28,920
I'm going to be coming here

897
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:30,780
and then I approached I approached the

898
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:35,339
colonel and I said um oh do you know um

899
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:37,020
uh

900
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:41,400
Force right

901
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:45,119
and um he's like yes I do he said uh we

902
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,060
start we served together in 1958

903
00:35:54,349 --> 00:35:50,640
we were both on the com on the uh

904
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:54,359
on the range of course okay and uh and I

905
00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:56,040
said oh well uh you know that gentleman

906
00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:58,260
uh my old man knows him from from

907
00:36:02,650 --> 00:35:59,339
Hereford

908
00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:02,660
uh because uh

909
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,460
that gentleman was at Hereford and

910
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,680
basically served with SAS for two years

911
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:10,079
uh before going back to America and then

912
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,119
forming Delta Force so that was my end

913
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,160
to Colonel John Alexander uh basically

914
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:16,079
that we were both airborne and that I

915
00:36:20,329 --> 00:36:18,119
don't have a special forces background

916
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:20,339
I was never back to Special Forces I was

917
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:23,339
never badged SAS or SBS

918
00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:26,400
um I was badged a paratrooper and then

919
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:28,920
um and when uh intelligence Corps I was

920
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,780
never bad Special Forces but I've been

921
00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:33,119
around Special Forces all my life

922
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:35,339
yeah I mean I enjoyed my conversation

923
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:38,520
with John you know he gets a lot of

924
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:41,820
stick from people I think

925
00:36:48,050 --> 00:36:44,760
it's hard it's hard to kind of

926
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:48,060
see why sometimes I wanted to speak to

927
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:51,300
him I did I found him very engaging

928
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:53,640
um I think he's a great bloke so you

929
00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:55,020
know

930
00:37:06,650 --> 00:36:58,380
knew

931
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,660
up uh you know Delta Force okay and my

932
00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:08,520
dad knew Charles Beckwith so when I said

933
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:11,820
to Colonel Alexander uh my dad knows uh

934
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,560
you know my dad knew Charles beckworth

935
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,599
right now deceased then that gave me

936
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:17,760
into Colonel John Alexander and Colonel

937
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,099
John Alexander he said to me okay um you

938
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:21,599
know you sent me some papers that you

939
00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:23,640
wrote for you know um you know very

940
00:37:27,650 --> 00:37:25,800
various papers you sent he goes okay I

941
00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:27,660
don't think that those are so stupid uh

942
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:29,339
he goes I will talk to you talk to you

943
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,720
about UAP

944
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,119
wow he's very no-nonsense he's very No

945
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:35,760
Nonsense yeah but um I have to say um

946
00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:38,400
he's become a mentor to me he's become a

947
00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:40,740
mentor to me and um I always call him

948
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:43,079
Colonel he always calls me Frank and he

949
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,240
signs off as John but I always call him

950
00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:47,520
Colonel it's a mark of respect yeah

951
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:49,980
absolutely a military Mark of respect

952
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:53,460
yeah no I'm sure he appreciates it but

953
00:37:57,290 --> 00:37:55,560
um have you had conversations with him

954
00:38:01,810 --> 00:37:57,300
about the early days at Skinwalker Ranch

955
00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:05,150
you're talking somebody who was um

956
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:07,740
and this isn't like uh you know um

957
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:12,000
anything uh you know covert uh

958
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:13,680
he was a member of The Phoenix Program

959
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:16,740
in in in in Vietnam right

960
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:19,740
uh which was basically to assassinate uh

961
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,240
you know members of you know the Viet

962
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,760
Cong and the North Vietnamese

963
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:25,920
and as a special off Special Forces

964
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:29,220
officer he was involved in that so he's

965
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:31,140
a highly trained military officer and

966
00:38:36,589 --> 00:38:34,440
also an assassin okay as you know all

967
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:36,599
Special Forces Personnel are were

968
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:43,010
um and when he told me that um that he

969
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:46,500
got recruited by that you know three

970
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:49,920
knits and uh and he said that he went to

971
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,500
uh basically the ranch ain't like

972
00:38:56,569 --> 00:38:54,240
pre-nips and he said that he was sitting

973
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:56,579
out there night after night and I was

974
00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:58,680
just thinking like man it's like a you

975
00:39:02,410 --> 00:39:00,900
know only a badass American army green

976
00:39:06,349 --> 00:39:02,420
beret

977
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,359
just like uh I'd be [\h__\h] myself

978
00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:08,880
I agree I would too I like to think that

979
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:10,680
if invited I would say yes and I would

980
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:12,300
go but you know I have heard some

981
00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:14,339
stories Vinnie I think I'm a badass

982
00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:21,170
that would make me [\h__\h] myself

983
00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:23,579
yeah but it kind of for me yeah of

984
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:25,740
course you would but I mean of course I

985
00:39:30,109 --> 00:39:26,940
would but

986
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:30,119
surely it's like an opportunity to be

987
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,280
up close and personal potentially with

988
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:38,390
mate I give you my honest truth I'd

989
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,260
rather be um

990
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:42,000
I'd rather be shooting out with

991
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:44,700
insurgents in Iraq as I used to do after

992
00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:46,859
a complicated Ambush then I would like

993
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:49,740
to be on uh on Skinwalker Ranch

994
00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:53,520
wow okay maybe you've heard some things

995
00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:55,320
that maybe I haven't then let's maybe

996
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:57,780
maybe that's the thing uh no it's just

997
00:40:01,310 --> 00:40:00,180
um I can't control the Paranormal but uh

998
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:01,320
you know if somebody's trying to shoot

999
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:03,780
at me and killing and kill me then I can

1000
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:05,820
control that and I can control them but

1001
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,140
if there's something paranormal then I

1002
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:09,359
can't control them so you know as a

1003
00:40:13,970 --> 00:40:11,880
former professional military officer

1004
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:13,980
um I am more comfortable with being in

1005
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:17,700
war against humans uh than I would be on

1006
00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:20,460
some remote Ranch uh dealing with you

1007
00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:22,619
know some disembodied entity that I have

1008
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:24,359
no control over and that you know even

1009
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:27,300
if I had uh you know weapons on me I I

1010
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:28,680
couldn't kill

1011
00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:31,320
no that makes sense yeah I appreciate

1012
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:33,420
that I do I do I mean just sticking with

1013
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:34,859
Skinwalker Ranch I mean obviously

1014
00:40:41,150 --> 00:40:37,760
there's it gets a lot of

1015
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:41,160
negative uh fingers pointed at it

1016
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,780
especially Brandon and his team on

1017
00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:44,160
Twitter you know people saying that

1018
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,140
they're doing it just for TV and all

1019
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,480
these purposes personally I you know

1020
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,920
I've spoken to some of the guys on the

1021
00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:51,359
ranch I believe there's something

1022
00:40:54,829 --> 00:40:53,460
genuine going on

1023
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:54,839
um so I'd just like to know what your

1024
00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:56,220
views are I mean if you've had any

1025
00:41:00,109 --> 00:40:58,680
conversations about any specific aspects

1026
00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:00,119
of it because it seems like it's

1027
00:41:04,130 --> 00:41:02,339
multiple phenomena that could be working

1028
00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:04,140
there so yeah I'd love to know what you

1029
00:41:07,790 --> 00:41:05,220
think about that

1030
00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:07,800
all I can say is um

1031
00:41:11,329 --> 00:41:10,020
John Alexander is a mentor to me and

1032
00:41:13,550 --> 00:41:11,339
he's talked to me about uh you know

1033
00:41:15,230 --> 00:41:13,560
Skinwalker rights from the earliest days

1034
00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:15,240
and um

1035
00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:17,940
you know I've been on uh on various um

1036
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:21,180
you know email threads including with uh

1037
00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:23,460
you know Dr Travis trailer Taylor right

1038
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:25,560
uh there's no doubt in my mind that

1039
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,000
there is uh you know some you know

1040
00:41:31,609 --> 00:41:29,940
highly crazy anomalous activity going on

1041
00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:31,619
Skinwalker Ranch

1042
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:35,339
okay and uh you know for me as you know

1043
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,980
if I put my head on as if I put my hat

1044
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,560
on as a former counterintelligence

1045
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:42,240
investigator

1046
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,859
uh there's

1047
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,560
there's so much that meets the eye that

1048
00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:49,440
I cannot explain and therefore uh for me

1049
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,619
it's anomalous and I

1050
00:41:57,290 --> 00:41:55,200
I have to believe in the anomalous

1051
00:41:59,569 --> 00:41:57,300
right

1052
00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:59,579
does that make sense it does yeah yeah

1053
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:01,260
it does

1054
00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:02,760
I mean you mentioned in there a few

1055
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:04,140
times and this is something that I I

1056
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:06,180
guess I wanted to to ask but I didn't

1057
00:42:08,530 --> 00:42:07,380
know the right time so I'm just going to

1058
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:08,540
ask is

1059
00:42:12,770 --> 00:42:10,680
counterintelligence gets

1060
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:12,780
again something is something that people

1061
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,520
see or hear about and they go oh it's

1062
00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:16,800
negative they can't be trusted it's you

1063
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:18,300
know their job was counter Intel for

1064
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,460
goodness sake so

1065
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:22,800
how how could how do people how should

1066
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:25,020
people understand the the true meaning

1067
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:27,420
of counter-intel and why it isn't a bad

1068
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,700
thing you know it frustrates me when I

1069
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,680
see well you can't trust uh Lou

1070
00:42:35,390 --> 00:42:33,839
Alexander gets it the most you know as

1071
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:35,400
I'm sure you might have seen but you

1072
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:37,079
know if you could just kind of clear

1073
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:39,180
that up for me or and for people I'd

1074
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:41,220
really appreciate that yeah sure I mean

1075
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:42,780
I've had it a lot as well like uh you

1076
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,099
know you're kind of like a you know a

1077
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:46,079
deep set agent and you know some kind of

1078
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:48,119
other [\h__\h] it's like well um sorry

1079
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,680
but you know while you're sleeping in

1080
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:50,880
your bed

1081
00:42:56,750 --> 00:42:54,540
um you know people like me uh we are uh

1082
00:43:00,170 --> 00:42:56,760
doing uh two different kind of jobs uh

1083
00:43:02,569 --> 00:43:00,180
one uh we are investigating uh you know

1084
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:02,579
the penetration of uh you know Russian

1085
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:06,060
and Chinese and uh you know foreign

1086
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:08,220
hostile intelligence uh you know

1087
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,160
activities and how they are how they are

1088
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:13,440
trying to um you know uh basically

1089
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:16,800
penetrate uh you know our security and

1090
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:20,520
how they are trying to uh you know um

1091
00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:23,160
basically recruit our people okay that's

1092
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:25,020
called security intelligence

1093
00:43:28,849 --> 00:43:27,060
and then uh the other side of

1094
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:28,859
counterintelligence is physical security

1095
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:31,619
which is the the physical measures that

1096
00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:34,020
you take uh to protect you know uh you

1097
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:37,619
know people uh locations operations uh

1098
00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:41,040
you know bases uh information uh you

1099
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,839
know information technology right that's

1100
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,160
the other side of counterintelligence

1101
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:45,839
but there is a there is a dark side of

1102
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:47,880
counterintelligence which is uh you know

1103
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:51,180
you do investigations uh into you know

1104
00:43:55,790 --> 00:43:53,220
who is uh you know trying to penetrate

1105
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:55,800
your networks right so uh you know that

1106
00:44:00,290 --> 00:43:58,020
that's when it gets kind of tasty but um

1107
00:44:02,809 --> 00:44:00,300
it's uh you know nobody that you should

1108
00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:02,819
not trust because basically we are here

1109
00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:05,400
and we are protecting you or trying to

1110
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:06,780
protect you from things like you know

1111
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:09,180
the novichoka you know nerve agent

1112
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:11,700
attack the Russians perpetrated in 2018

1113
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,760
in the UK okay we didn't succeed then

1114
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,000
but uh you have to understand that uh in

1115
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:20,160
America the UK and you know Allied

1116
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:23,880
Forces uh you only see a very small

1117
00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:27,119
percentage of of of the successes that

1118
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:29,339
we have you will never see the vast

1119
00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:30,900
majority of the successes that we have

1120
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,180
because that has to be you know highly

1121
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:35,760
uh you know highly protected

1122
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:38,760
I guess I'm yeah I mean I understand the

1123
00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:42,000
people can be dubious sometimes but it

1124
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,099
doesn't take much to kind of have a few

1125
00:44:47,809 --> 00:44:46,079
conversations do a bit of research and

1126
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:47,819
and I think it becomes a bit clearer as

1127
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,940
to the real kind of direction of and the

1128
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:52,740
meaning of what people are doing

1129
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:54,300
especially if they have counter Intel

1130
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:57,839
backgrounds so yeah who doubts my

1131
00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:59,700
loyalty it's like well uh you know I

1132
00:45:03,650 --> 00:45:01,500
I've been to war I've been to two

1133
00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:03,660
different Wars and you know I've served

1134
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,540
my country so uh you know how am I uh

1135
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:08,640
being a deep dark sake at a state after

1136
00:45:12,109 --> 00:45:10,260
you know I've been protecting my country

1137
00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:12,119
from like the word go since I was 17

1138
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:14,040
years old since I joined up as a

1139
00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:17,520
paratrooper yeah no absolutely

1140
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,980
now I can't do this interview without

1141
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:22,560
asking you about it specifically the two

1142
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:25,440
papers you wrote for uh for beta the

1143
00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:28,200
biggest Center so basically I'd first

1144
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,119
like to know how you got involved with

1145
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,160
them and it and come to write the papers

1146
00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:34,560
I will just bring them up on screen and

1147
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:37,020
they are linked in the description of

1148
00:45:41,569 --> 00:45:39,660
this video so we've got the first wait

1149
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,579
was this the first one that you wrote

1150
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:43,560
that's the first one yeah yeah and then

1151
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,060
you went on so this is the about the

1152
00:45:49,069 --> 00:45:47,520
pentagon's UAP task force and then you

1153
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,079
wrote this one American development of

1154
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,599
UAP technology of theta comp play so

1155
00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:53,280
yeah how did they come about you know

1156
00:45:58,609 --> 00:45:55,560
I've read I've I was aware of these

1157
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,619
almost before I was aware of you and

1158
00:46:01,609 --> 00:46:00,240
I've read them multiple times and I've

1159
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,619
reverted back to them on multiple

1160
00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:02,880
occasions I think they're fantastic

1161
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:04,859
pieces of work so yeah I'd like to know

1162
00:46:08,329 --> 00:46:06,119
how that came about thank you brother my

1163
00:46:10,569 --> 00:46:08,339
pleasure

1164
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:10,579
yeah how did they come about

1165
00:46:15,710 --> 00:46:13,740
uh yeah I basically I wanted to write

1166
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:15,720
about UAP but I didn't just want to

1167
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:17,880
write on a blog or some kind of like you

1168
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:20,700
know UAP blog uh I was very determined

1169
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:22,740
that um you know given my uh you know

1170
00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:24,119
London School of Economics background

1171
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:26,040
and my Military Intelligence background

1172
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:28,140
I wanted to have you know some kind of

1173
00:46:32,809 --> 00:46:31,020
like you know finite um kind of like you

1174
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,819
know Granite wall behind what I was

1175
00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:33,839
writing

1176
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:37,079
and so then I persuaded uh big into that

1177
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,900
Center to you know to let me write these

1178
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:42,000
uh these these two papers

1179
00:46:47,809 --> 00:46:45,839
because my my key objective was

1180
00:46:49,550 --> 00:46:47,819
um to inject

1181
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:49,560
UAP

1182
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:52,560
uh not the woo-woo stuff but inject uh

1183
00:46:59,690 --> 00:46:55,619
UAP and the National Security aspects

1184
00:47:03,410 --> 00:46:59,700
into uh the mainstream of uh War studies

1185
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:03,420
National Security studies yeah

1186
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,359
and uh and that's what I did

1187
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,400
it's amazing it's fantastic it's such a

1188
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:11,520
my concept was to was to penetrate uh

1189
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,180
the wall of uh basically ridicule and to

1190
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:16,800
force Academia

1191
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,220
uh by having two papers published by a

1192
00:47:24,770 --> 00:47:23,040
major uh University Think Tank a

1193
00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:24,780
globally ranked think tank so that

1194
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:26,940
nobody could ignore what I was saying

1195
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:28,619
really you did just that that's the

1196
00:47:32,750 --> 00:47:30,420
thing is obviously you know when when I

1197
00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:32,760
saw these I I was blown away I didn't

1198
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:34,619
know anything like that existed at the

1199
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,560
time uh you know so yeah my hat my hat's

1200
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:39,839
off to you completely because yeah like

1201
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:41,339
I said I've reverted back to them in my

1202
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:43,079
research many times

1203
00:47:48,410 --> 00:47:45,540
uh so yeah thank you

1204
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:48,420
because I I was actually at the time I

1205
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:50,520
was thinking about doing um you know a

1206
00:47:55,550 --> 00:47:53,760
master's degree with um uh with uh you

1207
00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:55,560
know King's College London right in

1208
00:47:58,849 --> 00:47:57,420
National Security studies and then I

1209
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:58,859
started thinking well I got into UAP

1210
00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:00,180
stuff and I was going but hang on

1211
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,280
they're not into UAP stuff but actually

1212
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,839
if you look at um

1213
00:48:07,970 --> 00:48:05,760
you know what the Russians want the

1214
00:48:10,730 --> 00:48:07,980
Chinese want and potentially you know

1215
00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:10,740
the threat posed by UAP this is the most

1216
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:13,859
important uh you know strategic studies

1217
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,560
uh subject that is not being taught in

1218
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:18,839
universities and then I just thought why

1219
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,260
the [\h__\h] would I do a masters because uh

1220
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:24,720
it basically doesn't it's basically

1221
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:28,079
completely in in Spanish you say uh it's

1222
00:48:31,690 --> 00:48:30,180
blind

1223
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:31,700
wow

1224
00:48:36,770 --> 00:48:34,380
that's a that's amazing answer I

1225
00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:36,780
appreciate that I'm sorry I've just seen

1226
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:38,099
this question here which I think because

1227
00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:39,900
you mentioned there you know you kind of

1228
00:48:43,250 --> 00:48:41,640
focus in a bit on the nuts and bolts as

1229
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:43,260
I suppose you could call it in in that

1230
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,900
work but I know that you're open to the

1231
00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:47,520
sort of the woo and the Consciousness as

1232
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:49,800
well so totally yeah so this question

1233
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:52,140
from Dave Smith is shout out Dave uh

1234
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:53,880
does Frank think there is credibility to

1235
00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:56,220
the ultra-terrestrial explanation I'll

1236
00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:57,960
put off recently put forward

1237
00:49:02,930 --> 00:49:00,780
uh I.E terrestrial based and complex

1238
00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:02,940
paranormal interactions as well as nuts

1239
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:05,339
and bolts stuff uh yeah big shout out to

1240
00:49:09,230 --> 00:49:07,260
you Smathers

1241
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:09,240
um thank you very much for that question

1242
00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:11,880
uh yeah I absolutely agree with you but

1243
00:49:17,809 --> 00:49:15,300
as always I say you know I'm not a guru

1244
00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:17,819
um I don't know I mean not even uh you

1245
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:23,750
but this is speculation and this is the

1246
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:25,619
thing I think sometimes I know in the

1247
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:27,720
past I've been really

1248
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:30,420
um nervous to speculate on things but I

1249
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:31,200
think

1250
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:34,140
it's not it's not wrong to speculate as

1251
00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:35,700
long as you're careful and coordinated

1252
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,260
and you don't put it across like it's

1253
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:39,599
you know a really solid belief so I mean

1254
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:41,940
I and I do I think people want to know

1255
00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:44,880
what how you think so if you were to

1256
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:46,619
speculate it kind of gives a good

1257
00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:49,020
picture of that so yeah if any of the

1258
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:50,460
way I think is uh I think like a

1259
00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:52,260
military intelligence officer okay and

1260
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:53,579
even though that was like you know years

1261
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:56,700
ago it's like being grained yeah once

1262
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:58,200
you've been part of the system right you

1263
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,500
know you never Escape uh but it teaches

1264
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,839
you to think in a very very logical uh

1265
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:05,520
in a very very logical way

1266
00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:08,460
and you know not in a in a way that um

1267
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:13,849
negates uh you know kind of like you

1268
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:18,180
know outbound uh hypotheses and I think

1269
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:19,500
I like to think that I carry that

1270
00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:21,900
forward I mean obviously

1271
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:25,140
uh you know I'm a Believer so I say

1272
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,760
believe I'm sorry I'm not a believer I'm

1273
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,520
an experiencer right sure uh believer

1274
00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:31,680
it's the wrong word I'm an experiencer

1275
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:34,020
uh I believe they're a phenomena that uh

1276
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,700
we cannot as yet

1277
00:50:40,670 --> 00:50:37,280
um you know um

1278
00:50:43,329 --> 00:50:40,680
assess through scientific means because

1279
00:50:46,010 --> 00:50:43,339
we do not have the physics to understand

1280
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:46,020
uh you know what is going on

1281
00:50:50,510 --> 00:50:48,420
but at the same time I'm a very I'm a

1282
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:50,520
very logical human being I'm a former

1283
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:52,380
military intelligence officer from a

1284
00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:54,420
very logical human being and I will I

1285
00:51:00,410 --> 00:50:56,520
will always try and find the most

1286
00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:00,420
prosaic uh you know the most prosaic uh

1287
00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:03,660
you know reason or conclusion uh towards

1288
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,579
what I'm thinking about so you know like

1289
00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:06,960
we were talking about earlier tonight uh

1290
00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:08,520
before the show

1291
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,260
uh we were talking about you know Calvin

1292
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:12,000
case and I gave you like I think four or

1293
00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:14,220
five different reasons why I thought

1294
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:16,920
that uh you know the coal Vine UAP uh

1295
00:51:21,530 --> 00:51:19,500
was not uh you know um you know exotic

1296
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:21,540
American Technology because I'm always

1297
00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:23,339
trying to look for the most prosaic

1298
00:51:27,049 --> 00:51:25,140
reason possible

1299
00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:27,059
okay and that makes me happy because I

1300
00:51:29,809 --> 00:51:28,500
look for the most prosaic reason and

1301
00:51:31,370 --> 00:51:29,819
then there's some other reason that I

1302
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:31,380
can't figure out then I'm like uh okay

1303
00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:33,720
yeah then then it's something Beyond uh

1304
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:35,700
beyond what I understand

1305
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,500
I think that's a great rule of thumb as

1306
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,359
well I tried to do the same absolutely

1307
00:51:43,849 --> 00:51:41,520
put everything before you know in that

1308
00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:43,859
scale of taking everything off first

1309
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,200
before you get to the you know the

1310
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:48,000
sorry that's why

1311
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:56,329
sorry excuse my language no don't worry

1312
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:57,599
yeah

1313
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,700
um whereas I'm like in the middle and

1314
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:01,440
I'm like um okay if you're gonna talk

1315
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:03,540
woo-woo then like you know show me some

1316
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,839
proof okay uh but at the same time I'm

1317
00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:09,119
open-minded I'm open-minded the fact

1318
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:10,980
there's that that there are things that

1319
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:13,260
I've experienced uh there's things that

1320
00:52:16,490 --> 00:52:14,280
I know about from my Military

1321
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:16,500
Intelligence background and there are

1322
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:17,940
things that I know from you know for

1323
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:21,900
example um you know skin walker and uh

1324
00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:24,900
you know uh Nimitz and other cases that

1325
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,000
are you know uh they're not explainable

1326
00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:30,000
they are not uh you cannot rationalize

1327
00:52:34,849 --> 00:52:32,940
them in terms of normal physics or in

1328
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:34,859
terms of uh you know terrestrial

1329
00:52:38,329 --> 00:52:36,119
platforms

1330
00:52:41,809 --> 00:52:38,339
no absolutely and I think that's you

1331
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,819
know I don't I don't tend to to

1332
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:44,160
mention the debunkers or the aspects of

1333
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,500
things I tend to just stay away

1334
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:48,240
purely because I don't have time I'm

1335
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:50,280
busy um but you know one thing is I

1336
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:51,599
think that they

1337
00:52:55,370 --> 00:52:53,339
they think that there's a problem that

1338
00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:55,380
we shouldn't have an open mind or or

1339
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:57,059
that we're having an open mind

1340
00:53:01,490 --> 00:52:59,460
automatically means that you jump to

1341
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:01,500
that higher belief and you're just like

1342
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,240
oh we'll we'll forget about all the

1343
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:05,280
possible Prozac explanations that's

1344
00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:08,280
simply not the case and so I'll tell you

1345
00:53:10,970 --> 00:53:09,300
what it is mate it's like they're

1346
00:53:13,309 --> 00:53:10,980
terrified of the reality

1347
00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:13,319
that terrified of Duality that uh you

1348
00:53:18,049 --> 00:53:15,300
know there could be uh you know beings

1349
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,059
from extracial beings or Ultra

1350
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,280
terrestrial beings they are terrified of

1351
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,559
the reality that uh you know there are

1352
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:24,960
you know invisible entities that can uh

1353
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:27,599
you know exsanguinate cows uh within

1354
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,300
sight of uh you know a Rancher 400

1355
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,119
meters away uh they are terrified of the

1356
00:53:38,569 --> 00:53:35,760
reality that uh you know these invisible

1357
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:38,579
beings may be able to interact interact

1358
00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:41,400
amongst us and you know we have no

1359
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:44,040
ability to uh you know no control over

1360
00:53:49,250 --> 00:53:46,079
that that is what they are afraid of

1361
00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:49,260
because uh you know they look I'm afraid

1362
00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:50,460
when I think about these things right

1363
00:53:52,670 --> 00:53:51,660
and like you know I'm a former Army

1364
00:53:54,670 --> 00:53:52,680
paratrooper right there's not many

1365
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:54,680
things that make me afraid okay

1366
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,420
when I start thinking about you know um

1367
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,520
you know the possibility of uh for

1368
00:54:01,849 --> 00:54:00,960
example in

1369
00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:01,859
um

1370
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:04,619
in uh you know the coast Protection Team

1371
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,359
for the American president

1372
00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:07,920
are there

1373
00:54:15,530 --> 00:54:13,079
intervene and you know uh cause a launch

1374
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,540
of a nuclear missile

1375
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,760
how secure is uh you know the United

1376
00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:20,400
States President how secure is uh you

1377
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:24,770
that's a good point you see where I'm

1378
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:27,000
going with this I can absolutely the

1379
00:54:33,049 --> 00:54:29,400
valid points absolutely and you know

1380
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:33,059
I've dive deeply into uh into uh you

1381
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,780
know uh you know Dr Jacobs right uh you

1382
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:39,119
know uh walking amongst us you know uh

1383
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:41,579
the threat and all that kind of stuff uh

1384
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:43,740
Eric Davis told me

1385
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,200
um that he was a great academic but then

1386
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:48,000
he started to kind of like lose it

1387
00:54:52,849 --> 00:54:50,220
towards the end of his life but also if

1388
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:52,859
you look at like Timothy Goods uh you

1389
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:55,980
know um uh you know books he's talking

1390
00:55:01,849 --> 00:55:00,000
about uh you know beings uh in Italy uh

1391
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:01,859
that are benign and that live amongst us

1392
00:55:07,130 --> 00:55:03,660
so

1393
00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:07,140
if you accept that then maybe you could

1394
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:09,000
accept the fact that there are malign

1395
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:11,819
beings living amongst us and uh you know

1396
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:13,260
being a former counterintelligence

1397
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,040
officer uh I am highly suspicious

1398
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:19,680
well absolutely I make perfect sense but

1399
00:55:24,589 --> 00:55:22,140
this is the thing you get so many angles

1400
00:55:26,030 --> 00:55:24,599
and points of view of these beings them

1401
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:26,040
beings and they're Here There and

1402
00:55:31,490 --> 00:55:29,339
Everywhere and I mean it does kind of

1403
00:55:33,770 --> 00:55:31,500
there's no data to say which is right

1404
00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:33,780
and which is wrong so I believe that we

1405
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:35,460
have to keep an open mind

1406
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:37,980
I think that's number one and yet you

1407
00:55:42,829 --> 00:55:39,780
know we seem to get vilified for that in

1408
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:42,839
you know on I'm I don't know about this

1409
00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:44,940
our side of the community I don't like

1410
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:47,339
talking sides but it seems that it it

1411
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:49,140
feels like that at the moment you know

1412
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:51,420
that people are just getting shot down

1413
00:55:55,549 --> 00:55:52,980
for having a certain way of thinking and

1414
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:55,559
that and and I just it baffles my mind

1415
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:58,140
and I don't give any time to it so

1416
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:59,760
that's all I gotta say about it very

1417
00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:01,920
simple way of thinking it's like um you

1418
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,200
know if I can identify something it is

1419
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,760
um it's either a threat or it's not a

1420
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:07,680
threat you're either on my side or

1421
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,420
you're not on my side if you're not on

1422
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:11,760
my side then uh you know prepare to be

1423
00:56:14,930 --> 00:56:12,660
killed

1424
00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:14,940
okay yeah there you go I like that I'll

1425
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:17,160
take that on board absolutely well

1426
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:18,720
listen Frank before we finish off I'd

1427
00:56:22,609 --> 00:56:20,760
just like to know what you've got going

1428
00:56:24,290 --> 00:56:22,619
on now or moving forward and what we're

1429
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,300
likely to sort of see from you in the

1430
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,680
future

1431
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,599
uh that's a very good question

1432
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:29,520
um I'm engaging in some private research

1433
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,700
on UAP uh which I won't be divulging to

1434
00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:34,319
the public

1435
00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:36,599
um and that's what I will be doing going

1436
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,800
forward

1437
00:56:41,329 --> 00:56:39,839
that's fair enough I can't argue with

1438
00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:41,339
that well listen Frank thank you so much

1439
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,020
it's been an absolute honor to speak to

1440
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:45,359
you uh it's an open invitation you're

1441
00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:47,880
welcome back here absolutely anytime one

1442
00:56:51,890 --> 00:56:49,380
thing I have started doing is a lot more

1443
00:56:53,450 --> 00:56:51,900
panel discussions so I think you'd be

1444
00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:53,460
great on a panel discussion with maybe

1445
00:56:57,049 --> 00:56:55,380
some other Intel or foreign military

1446
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:57,059
officers that could be something that

1447
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:58,980
would Vinnie I'd always be happy to be

1448
00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:00,900
back on and always happy to talk with

1449
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,000
anybody you want me to talk to very very

1450
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,760
happy thank you brother Ah that's

1451
00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:07,440
fantastic if you hang around we'll have

1452
00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:09,960
a chat after the stream finishes uh but

1453
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:12,059
yeah thank you again uh and thank you to

1454
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,440
the chat thank you for the great

1455
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:15,119
questions I'm sorry if I didn't get to

1456
00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:17,099
them all I will give a quick shout out

1457
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,020
to Jimmy for the five dollars donation

1458
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:21,119
thank you so much brother I really do

1459
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:23,640
appreciate that and thank you to all the

1460
00:57:28,609 --> 00:57:26,640
listeners thank you yeah you guys rocked

1461
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,619
thank you so much and I'm like I said I

1462
00:57:33,710 --> 00:57:30,960
think Frank will be back multiple times

1463
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:33,720
in the future so for now guys

1464
00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:35,460
um go check out all my social medias

1465
00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:37,260
where you'll see upcoming interviews and

1466
00:57:40,849 --> 00:57:38,940
and other things that I'm up to at the

1467
00:57:42,349 --> 00:57:40,859
moment uh for now enjoy your evening